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Diamond below could be diamond district.

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This may well have been noticed by searchers now and/or in the past, but in case not, there appears to be a compass in the puzzle:

Seems there's a bar between E and W. Either way, if you consider the diamond as diamond district then a good candidate for the center of the compass could be Columbus Circle.

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But we just went through the whole motion with St. Basil and the theory that some of the domes are over-lapped.

How did a tourist order chicken in a Russian restaurant?
1st he asked for chichov, when that didn't work he tried chickovsky!

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My suggestion was that the blue area is water and the dirt color area is land, some sort of map. But all I got in response was NEIN, NEIN!

[Kang]

I think you mean nyet, nyet.

Durian, that color blue has been associated with Russia since Peter the Great. Look at the sash in the pic you posted...

[erexere]

When people talk about the sash of the robe or the sash of the window, are they at all interested in the possibility that it helps derive the familiar Russian name of Sasha or Alexander?

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When people talk about the sash of the robe or the sash of the window, are they at all interested in the possibility that it helps derive the familiar Russian name of Sasha or Alexander?

Of course not silly boy!
It is clear as day that this puzzle is all about PETER!

Joking of course!

While I agree, this puzzle is going to be different as far as it's difficulty, everything I have read for the past few days sounds way off base and doesn't sound like the style of puzzle that BP and JJP are a part of. It reads more like trying to make a theory fit, which ever way possible, compared to trying to figure out the image or verse.

I will give props for thinking outside the box and being original, but that is not getting anyone any closer to a solve.

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This may well have been noticed by searchers now and/or in the past, but in case not, there appears to be a compass in the puzzle:

I don't know if subway lines have changed over last 4 decades but W could be the W metro line towards East or W to E line. As long as it gets to Roosevelt Island!
Local NYCs please chime in.

Also viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&start=550

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Also, if you notice, the woman in image 12 has hands with fingers. You know who else has hands? The Devil! And he uses it to hold on to things!

I think trying to figure out why JJP loves the devil is important.

[maltedfalcon]

[NYCNative]

Also, if you notice, the woman in image 12 has hands with fingers. You know who else has hands? The Devil! And he uses it to hold on to things!

I think trying to figure out why JJP loves the devil is important.

I don't understand the tone? You don't like my ideas...fantastic. Ignore them or rebut them. As far as I can tell, you've expressed your primary objection to my thoughts is that the book has a rule against burying a casque on private property. It doesn't. Not unless you're somehow related to the publisher...

I'm happy to debate ideas. Some are good, some are bad. Hopefully someday the back and forth of thoughts will lead somebody or some group to a casque. But I don't understand the tone? I haven't been knocking your thoughts. I think much of the energy around Brooklyn has plenty of merit. The discussion over the past couple of weeks has been pretty interesting. I'm simply proposing an alternate hypothesis.

I am debating it by showing you exactly how arbitrary your theory is!

Based on the game that is The Secret, my devil theory has just as much merit as yours does. More so, it doesn't require you to believe you have to dig up the lawn of a church. All I had to do to make my theory was ignore the story in the book, all clues, and completely ignore any of the two puzzles that have been solved and any method used to solve them. After that, all I had to do was find one (yes, just one) central figure and find anything I can connect to that person. And if something doesn't connect (yep, you guessed it!) smash it in to the theory until it fits. I felt this was what BP had intended me to do.

So I asked myself: self, if you are the devil, where would you feel most comfortable and have suitable shelter from the head hunting albatross in the area? And BOOM, found Fire Island! Perfect, undeniable match! You guys would love it there!

[phrabbott]

Here's another crazy idea. What if this is just a wall?

I'd love if someone would discuss the red outline. That's a pretty bold choice and definitely deliberate and people seem to just talk about the shape which is very inconclusive. While I think it could represent the brick surrounded Ellis Island Dock, that would make 3 references to undiggable locations that are right next to eachother. Odd.

Re: Staten Island
I assume you've been there? My girlfriend and I rushed down there as our first excited-that-this-may-be-the-spot foray a while back after finding the gray clock on the burrough hall, equating much of the image to the ferry ride, and, of course, getting excited about Barrett Triangle. (A main part of our theory was a goat relief on the St George Theater... ya... in person that didn't work out as well...)

We even walked out by your church (with no consideration that it could be the spot... it was just on the way to the coastal park and we had been checking something else more inland that escapes me now.)

Purely subjective obviously, but the entire walk just didn't seem like an exciting path. None of the locations hearkened to "i would bury something here." We checked many triangle parks to get a vibe and also, as mentioned, tried to hit the northern coastal areas which weren't as easily accessible as they appear and were very overgrown. Cleveland and Chicago were chock full of history, sculpture and generally nice walks. That's why we abandoned the idea. Just my two cents.

Re: Fire Island
I've always wanted to go, but then I'd be seen as more of a hipster than I already am.

[Kang]

Symbols of Russia and JJP's design and color choices - Part I

Why is the cathedral blue? And why three domes? Most Russian cathedrals appear to have more than three domes...

A light blue color has been part of symbols of Russia since Peter the Great 'borrowed' the colors of the Dutch flag. That color also appears on other important symbols of Russia. One example below.
http://www.worldflags101.com/r/russia-flag.aspx
https://countrydigest.org/russian-flag/

Also - As discussed previously, most seem to agree that the domes icon is very odd in that VERY few Russian churches have only 3 domes. And that it may be a simplified depiction of St Basil's in Moscow - where some domes are merged in silhouette so that it appears there are only 3.

Why did JJP make the choices he did?

Below is a portion of the Romanov coat of arms. The ribbon is nearly the exact color blue. And there are three crowns. (Varying stories for the reason, but commonly thought as representing the 3 kingdoms of the Russian Empire).

It certainly doesn't "look" like the domes icon. But there are two important elements here that are used in the dome. That color blue. And 3 dome-y shaped things with little baubles on top and crosses. Hmmm. Sounds familiar.

So if the domes/church is NOT a real location we are supposed to find but a general symbol of Russia - perhaps it's design and color is inspired by other important symbols of Russia??

[gManTexas]

Here's another crazy idea. What if this is just a wall?



There's obviously the famous Wall Street... But there's also a Wall Street you pass between Barrett Triangle and St. Peter's Church. It's one block before you reach Hamilton St.

The use of the rectangle is frustrating at a minimum. It could be a door, a building, the roadway hole in the tower of a suspension bridge, a diving board, a tunnel, a box of cereal....anything.

[Kang]

Durian. No tone. Just some honest questions for you.

Think about this before you answer. Do you honestly think that given what we know about Byron Preiss personally - and the puzzle in general - that Byron would have buried it on the property of a church? By all accounts he was a religious man. And by necessity knowing that someone might not dig a single hole and hit the jackpot - that he would set up a puzzle where people might be digging multiple holes all over a church in and effort to find it?

Some considerations before you answer.
Neither of the two finds were on church property or an especially important area. They were out of the way places.
If things had gone as he probably planned with the hunt - he'd have Bantam to answer to on this. How would they like it if one was found at a church?
Of the 10 remaining - none are popularly thought to be on church property. The top theories for each all have it in a park - yes, one is a privately owned park. Most in out of they way places.

You may have heard about the troubles with digging that park owner has had. Or about what happened at Ft Raleigh during the gov't shutdown.

Do you really think he buried it at a church? Would any spot not specifically prohibited in the book be fair game?
A graveyard? The Washington memorial? Gettysburg battlefield? Think about that.

Pursue the puzzle as you like. But at some point you have to draw a line somewhere. A church is on the other side of that line - I speak for myself only.