The methodology discussion

[erexere]

Image and word each play their own roles in Chicago and Cleveland.  What seems to be missing is a general respect for the blurring of that boundary.  The directions to a casque are split, rather than shared.  The roles swap as often as needed to create each challenge.  There are different methods ar work in for each casque.  Image 4 puts us in view of the wall but exact details are conveyed by word to count off and dig ar a precise spot.  That did not happen with image 5.  There the final words refer us back to image for a precise perspective fit in an area loosely described by word.  Its the reverse of image 4 when it comes to resolving the final step.

[bigmattyh]

The only thing we know for sure, is that in the two confirmed solutions, the images contribute two things:

• Clues to the general location (latitudes/longitudes, large familiar landmarks such as buildings, the occasional city or state map, etc.)
• Depictions of things you'd see if you were in the right place (statues, columns, fenceposts, etc.)

So, you could say that the images give you the first major starting point (the city -- or island, in the case of Roanoke), and then give you confirmations that you're in the right place once you've applied the appropriate verse.

I don't think there are any other types of visual clues in either of the confirmed solutions, are there?

[shecrab]

I'm curious about this similarity.  Was there a pupose to using a specific architecture?

Sorry. I need to get a better resolution and resize...still not handling the switch to ipad too well.

From a purely architectural and artistic standpoint, these are images that are CLASSIC. The Romanesque arch under the horse, which has only ONE foot raised--these are almost "standard" features of a great number of equestrian statues. It is not surprising at all that they would be similar--if you have ever studied art history or the history of statuary and sculpture, you will find these similiarities in hundreds and hundreds of other statues and other locations--public monument almost always followed "classical" standards in the times before The Secret was written. You are reading too much into the similarities in these images.

[maltedfalcon]

also that arch is a so so ringer for Sam houston, but is a dead ringer for one in New York City (minus the centaur)
so I think SheCrab is right it's just a piece of classical architecture used to tie together the theme and site confirmers.

[maltedfalcon]

 The roles swap as often as needed to create each challenge.  There are different methods ar work in for each casque.  Image 4 puts us in view of the wall but exact details are conveyed by word to count off and dig ar a precise spot.  That did not happen with image 5.  There the final words refer us back to image for a precise perspective fit in an area loosely described by word.  Its the reverse of image 4 when it comes to resolving the final step.

that is an unsubstantiated assumption

Yes it happened exactly that way - The archer.  over lincolns shoulder 10x13 + site confirmer images
The pillars in the image, the pillars in the verse, the path up to the treasure, the brick count + site confirmer images/

In cleveland you had to walk past the wall to find the path up to the treasure ground as it was coming from the opposite direction
In chicago you had to go past lincoln to the corner of the park to see the treasure ground and start counting trees.

chicago and cleveland worked exactly the same.
the clevleand verse was not linear but thats not a big deal

[erexere]

I see, thanks for clearing that up with the tree lines and fence and fixture.  Its good to see how the precision part of location is consistent.

I know the arch isnt a unique design.  Lets consider if its use has a specific implementation.

[bigmattyh]

So, what are you looking for here?

Are you trying to reverse-engineer the arch to see if it gives any additional insight to the Cleveland solution, or do you think it applies to Houston somehow?

[erexere]

Im not sure yet.  Just some arches to look at. 

[erexere]

Bigmatty, I'm leaning towards this feature in image4 as a built-in Houston clue where it hides a useful piece of information to image8.  In image 8 we see a side view of the Houston arch suggested by the shape below Camel and Rhino.



It is in front view in image4 to draw our focus to it's importance.  I've been researching equestrian statues for awhile now and I have to say there are many differences among them.

[erexere]

Palencar said there was something special about the centuar's helmet but he couldn't remember...

I wonder if that was another clue, that in one of the other images a helmet identification will come into play.

[maltedfalcon]

I wonder if that was another clue, that in one of the other images a helmet identification will come into play.

No probably not.

[shecrab]

I don't remember him saying anything special about the helmet, per se--I know he used his brother for a model for the centaur.

[erexere]

Found it, very bottom of article below pic of JJP.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

Its strangely coincidental that the last part of his comment is "My God, its 22 years later."  it reminds me of the helmeted character named Bowman from 2001:Space Osyssey who says "My God, it's full of stars."  Bowman is a statue reference, a pledge of alliegance reference, and A.C.Clark.  We are talking about a helmet here...makes me want to revive the BSG Viper helmet idea...

Chicago:  The Bowman statue by Ivan Mestrovic
San Francisco:  Verse 7, "Justice for all".  Louis Bowman added the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegience.
Houston: helmet wearing Bowman character from 2001 might support a space motif like the Battlestar Galactica helmet which looks much like the Lion jaw fountain at the zoo.

Why do I have the feeling Byron asked John to put that hint in the interview?

[maltedfalcon]

Why do I have the feeling Byron asked John to put that hint in the interview?

Well thats easy to answer, Because you are incredbily susceptible to pareidolia.

[shecrab]

Why do I have the feeling Byron asked John to put that hint in the interview?

Well thats easy to answer, Because you are incredbily susceptible to pareidolia.