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Postby Rviewer1 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:40 am

Back to Verse 6. I am going to breakdown verse 6 and image 1 from the beginning of the verse to the end of the verse. However I'm not using the verse in a linear fashion for my attempt at a solve. However I am using the methodology used in Chicago and Cleveland to a point. When I look at image 1, I get smacked in the face with the archetype that the "Rock" has become. I see a barred window on a rock. Therefore Alcatraz is my city confirmer not GGP. Any tourist will be more familiar with the rock (Alcatraz) than GGP IMO. Although I can see the merit of either being the city confirmer. What I have tried to bring together is food for thought and hopefully a new perspective at verse 6 and image 1. I have used work that has been done before me as I stand on the shoulders of giants. I have also added in my own work. Any ideas and input on this work would be graciously received. I am using movements to keep it partially linear to follow and they are coming from both verse and Image1.Which may be my diversion from the 2 previously solved cities methods. Although at this point I have not decided yet on how I'm going to put together the pieces that I have which I believe can get me down to a 2 foot area and the final location.

Hyde Street Pier and Alcatraz

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So we have the first lines of the verse:

:Of all the romance retold

Men of tales and tunes

Cruel and bold

Seen here

By eyes of old"

This can be attributed to the songs and themes of the 1849ers diggers. It can also be traced to Robert Louis Stevenson in his book "Treasure Island". Quote from the book below.

"And all the old romance, retold" and "If sailor tales to sailor tunes" This almost comes out word for word from the book.

RLS has a plaque on Bush Street where he lived and one in Ports Mouth Square:

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After speed reading "Treasure Island" there are so many parallels for us would be treasure hunters. Hopefully we will be more civil that Long John Silver.


Then we have:

"Stand and listen to the birds"

"Hear the cool, clear song of water”

If Alcatraz is my city Confirmer I would be at the Hyde Street pier (and the above verses would likely come into play) heading for the Hyde st Powell street cable car which leaves at yes, 6 AM, and that Hyde is a character in RLS’s book. "Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde". I would then go to Clay st which is an outlet for Portsmouth Square in China Town. I move down to Clay Street and run into Lafayette Square that has in interesting looking Fountain that resembles the table in image 1.

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I have seen these Pics below posted on another forum and would make things interesting if you were into the cable car theme with the cable car turn around as the table top. Then you would have "the embedded in sand" hint at where the treasure is with the cable care in literally being sand. I have no idea if it is still there as that does not play into my attempt at a solve. It would have been a good idea though.


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As I'm cruising down Clay's Street I suddenly "Harken to the words" "Freedom at the birth of a century Or May 1913"

This is a shout out to the "Emancipation Proclamation". "Or May 1913" was the 50th Anniversary of the "Emancipation Proclamation" as celebrated at the exposition of 1913. "Harken to the words" was a nod to James Weldon Johnson's poem that was written for the occasion:

On the Fiftieth Anniversary of the Signing of the Emancipation Proclamation.

O brothers mine, to-day we stand
Where half a century sweeps our ken,
Since God, through Lincoln’s ready hand,
Struck off our bonds and made us men.

Just fifty years–a winter’s day–
As runs the history of a race;
Yet, as we look back o’er the way,
How distant seems our starting place!

You can read the rest of the poem at your leisure.

Clay Street was named after Henry Clay who was an esteemed politician that was both speaker of the house and a senator from Kentucky as well as the Secretary of State. He was the cousin of Cassius Marcellus Clay who assisted Abraham Lincoln with the "Emancipation Proclamation". I'm sure that it is known that his family home was named "White Hall" in Kentucky and he was known as the "Lion of White Hall". As interesting as this is it does not come into play with my "White House" and last time I checked I did not see any palms.

Then we have "Edwin and Edwina named after him" That would be Edwin being named after Edwin Forrest. Edwin"s daughter was named Edwina. He was a famous Shakespearean actor. In a bit of historical irony it was Edwin Booth who saved Abraham Lincoln sons life. "Mr. Booth was so popular in San Francisco, that The San Francisco News Letter, a popular publication in the 19th century, featured a reproduction of a lithograph of him, by none other than the famous San Francisco lithographers Britton, Rey & Co. Printed for its readers as a free illustration, it notes on the bottom – “Gratis with “News Letter” Sept. 9th 1876″. https://www.californiapioneers.org/shakespeare-in-19th-century-san-francisco/ Below is the Plaque found on 444 Bush Street in San Francisco where the California Theater was located with Edwin Booth being listed.

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Continuing down Clay Street I come to a dead end on Arguello Blvd. This is where I come to the building structure that is located in image 1 up in the top left hand corner, the Temple Emanu-El. It sits at Lake St and Arguello.

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On top of the dome there is a coral blue circle like the Gem. I don't think BP would have been able to see it though. Its good to take a look at the building from different angles. It does have a the same San Fancisco style pearl inside under the dome. Also the main focus of the Jewish Congregation is for social justice for the immigrants and refugees.

So I go left heading down Arguello to get to my next way points. I follow Arguello Blvd right into GGP on Conservatory Drive to the Conservatory of Flowers.

The next part of the verse is:

"Or on the eighth a scene

Where law defended"

This has to do with Shakespeare. William Shakespeare's themes in many of his works are about the law, legal issues and Justice. You can look at this in two ways. The Law is defended in the Court's. For this we have the Tennis Court Complex across the street.

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Although I would attribute this part of the Verse to Shakespeare's Macbeth Act 5 Scene 8, where the Law and Order are restored to Scotland.

Then the next part of the verse goes "Between two arms extended". This would be the Garfield Monument back across the street from the Tennis Courts.

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Then we have "Below the bar that binds". This again has to do with the Law. It means passing the bar exam to become Lawyer.

Now we have come full circle. We have the verses "Beside the long palm's shadow" and "White house close at hand"

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And finally:

"Embedded in the sand"

"Waits the Fair remuneration"

This is where the treasure casque will be found. Stay tuned.

For me this has not been so much of a treasure hunt as it has been a history hunt. I know that this attempt at a San Francisco(image 1) solve for verse 6 will not be popular with a lot of Charleston people. Not to mention the Verse 7 people for Image 1. If for lack of anything else, I hope that some of this information will be helpful in some way.
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Re: image 1

Postby bbi » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:27 pm

This is a nice little booklet that was provided by the GGNRA in 1979 outlining their parks etc. Gives a good idea of what was accessible at the time and the types of activities provided in certain parks.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kfm1Z ... zc-1QHGZ-9
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Re: image 1

Postby Goonie68 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:35 am

bbi wrote:This is a nice little booklet that was provided by the GGNRA in 1979 outlining their parks etc. Gives a good idea of what was accessible at the time and the types of activities provided in certain parks.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kfm1Z ... zc-1QHGZ-9


Great resource of information! The brochure really makes Alcatraz a really good fit for Education and Justice, by what was written in the booklet,
"Alcatraz can provide an excellent educational outing, school groups can explore.
This kind of material would of resonated with BP as he was a teacher and possible used what was thought in (local) Jr /High school as clues to the verse.

Its resources like this that might of played a part in BP doing his research for the path to the casque.
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Re: image 1

Postby drunknerds » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:33 pm

But can't any historical spot provide an opportunity for education? I really can't see someone looking at a jail and thinking "education and justice" is a good fit.
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:52 pm

drunknerds wrote: I really can't see someone looking at a jail and thinking "education and justice" is a good fit.

go back and look through the posts with the word Alcatraz it has been suggested for both over and over and over.
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Re: image 1

Postby Goonie68 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:57 pm

drunknerds wrote:But can't any historical spot provide an opportunity for education? I really can't see someone looking at a jail and thinking "education and justice" is a good fit.

Many schools take field trips to both Angle Island and Alcatraz, I should know went to both with my elementary school in the 70's so yes I can see where education can be thought of.
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Re: image 1

Postby MERLIN » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:14 am

A possible site for "education and justice" may be UC Hastings college of the law in SF. Interestingly it is also associated with a place called Snodgrass hall which was a pen name that Twain used at one time.
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Re: image 1

Postby drunknerds » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:00 pm

maltedfalcon wrote:
drunknerds wrote: I really can't see someone looking at a jail and thinking "education and justice" is a good fit.

go back and look through the posts with the word Alcatraz it has been suggested for both over and over and over.


Haha, don't I know it. I've read all verse and image threads from start to finish at least twice. I just think it's ridiculous.

If we open up the definition of "education" to "my class went there once" then every single landmark in SF fits and the clue becomes meaningless. Not to mention it just doesn't make sense: No one looks at a prison and thinks "education," even though there is some kind of education involved with every prison. It's like looking at the Statue of Liberty and calling it "Liberty and Literacy" just because there's an inscription at the base with words one can read.

It's tunneling: Picking a spot and then getting really creative with the verse to fit that spot. And it doesn't fit the known solves. "Socrates" wasn't "hey let's find something that has to do with Socrates" it was literally, "find the word Socrates." "Beneath two countries" wasn't "find something with two cultural influences" it was literally "find a spot near areas named for two countries."

So there it is:
- Way too broad an interpretation
- Doesn't pass the smell test
- Doesn't match the known solves

That's the thing about verse 7. It's sooooo non-specific you could pick anywhere in SF and interpret the verse to fit there. We need either an image match or the exact words from part of the verse to have a clue I would consider significant.
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Re: image 1

Postby gManTexas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:17 pm

GoldenMartyr wrote:So may people speak of the negative space in the dragon wing being a strawberry. Is it possible that it is actually a street lamp or something similar?


It is possible, although in the puzzles where we would specifically expect there to be light poles or street lamps clues, there does not seem to be any. Boston and Milwaukee especially, since the harp lights are very distinct.
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Re: image 1

Postby gManTexas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:52 pm

GoldenMartyr wrote:
gManTexas wrote:It is possible, although in the puzzles where we would specifically expect there to be light poles or street lamps clues, there does not seem to be any. Boston and Milwaukee especially, since the harp lights are very distinct.


What I was attempting to show is, the strawberry connection is somewhat loose. Sure, it could be correct, don't get me wrong about that but trace it and look at the layer without the photo.

People have latched onto many of these interpretations as fact and haven't looked much deeper. If you trace the entire portion of negative space, does the area look more like a light than what has been dubbed a strawberry in the past.

Can we challenge the methodology leveraging small reasonable changes that still walk a logical path?


Yes. I never liked the concept of the strawberry. Seems superficial.
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Re: image 1

Postby BINGO » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:31 pm

GoldenMartyr wrote:Can we challenge the methodology leveraging small reasonable changes that still walk a logical path?


The key word is logical here. The answer is absolutely yes.
The biggest problem with some of the assumptions that have been taken as fact is you may introduce sequential error into your path. If you make an error when interpreting/assuming a clue, the entire path can go off track.
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Re: image 1

Postby gManTexas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:35 pm

BINGO wrote:
GoldenMartyr wrote:Can we challenge the methodology leveraging small reasonable changes that still walk a logical path?


The key word is logical here. The answer is absolutely yes.
The biggest problem with some of the assumptions that have been taken as fact is you may introduce sequential error into your path. If you make an error when interpreting/assuming a clue, the entire path can go off track.


That's why we need to integrate all of the clues and see if we have gone astray. In other words, stick some push pins in the map and see where most of the things land.
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Re: image 1

Postby BINGO » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:41 pm

The best place to start looking might actually be the places that have no pins...
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Re: image 1

Postby gManTexas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:25 pm

GoldenMartyr wrote:
BINGO wrote:
GoldenMartyr wrote:Can we challenge the methodology leveraging small reasonable changes that still walk a logical path?


The key word is logical here.


Of course, that is why I included it. Many attempt to challenge what is commonly accepted with extreme methods. I'm not a fan of that. I'm also not a fan of forcing a method based on 17%(2 of 12).


Side note, it's funny that both of you have signatures of crap Choice has said to you.

I don't think he plays well with others.
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Re: image 1

Postby BINGO » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

gManTexas wrote:
Side note, it's funny that both of you have signatures of crap Choice has said to you.

I don't think he plays well with others.


That seems to be a common theme with his other screen names as well.
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