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Postby XeroDM » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:27 am

Diceycat wrote:Another possibility for the checkered cuffs are that they represent the inner stone walls of the music concourse . The curl in the flower stem represents the arms of the benches. The clock on the pedestal ( now this might be a stretch) represents the sundial on the pedestal in Shakespeares’ garden. Who knows how many things have changed since 1980


A blast from the past, I know, but has anyone investigated the sundial in Shakespeare's Garden and dug near it? I am having a resurgence in the idea that it could be there. I have been researching the Garden and its configuration from before the 1991 renovation, and wondering if anyone else has done the same and wants to share ideas?

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Re: image 1

Postby Dominick » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:43 pm

I always go back to Shakespeare's Garden. It just feels right when you are standing in that place. I have never been able to fit the verse in an understandable way. The "Giant pole" line do not seem to fit anything in the garden except maybe a tree. The bust of Shakespeare could be the "object of Twain's attention." I would love to hear what you have found out about the garden before 1991.
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Re: image 1

Postby XeroDM » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:19 am

Dominick wrote:I always go back to Shakespeare's Garden. It just feels right when you are standing in that place. I have never been able to fit the verse in an understandable way. The "Giant pole" line do not seem to fit anything in the garden except maybe a tree. The bust of Shakespeare could be the "object of Twain's attention." I would love to hear what you have found out about the garden before 1991.


Basically, the entry and paved areas were part of a 1991 renovation. So, the G h being part of Shakespeare's Garden is not a legitimate reading of the clue. It wasn't there in 1980 when BP buried casques. Part of the renovation was to move the sundial, so if people have been bouncing off the current location of the sundial, then that's not a correct assumption either. When the quake levelled the adjacent buildings (Academy of Science), they were rebuilt, including an underground carpark and refit of the Music Concourse, and that rebuild took a small section off the North Eastern corner of the garden. From a quick re-construct via some bad imagery, I don't think the grassed areas were changed, but some trees along that edge may have been removed or effected. It was around this area that the sundial could have been originally placed. There are photos out there from about 15 years prior to casque burials that show something very much like the pedestal. The sundial also had a small winged gnomon on top that cast the shadow. That's no longer there, but was a recent vandalism/ degredation issue. Plenty of photos of what it looked like.
Sadly, reconstructing the area around the original sundial location would be impossible. It is possible that something in the area could have had a telling symbol on it which could quite likely have been lost with the renovation and rebuild.
I can get to Shakespeare's Garden really easily on what I think is a good, straightforwards path (I believe this is a path puzzle, not a location one), but am stumped a little at the end. I need a little time on ground (or eyes on ground) to explore a few directional ideas from the original sundial position, but that end of my idea is honestly pretty weak...
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Re: image 1

Postby cw0909 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:54 pm

there is a 1982 aerial @ historic aerials has a road overlay
the 82 is better than the 80
plug in 1271 23rd Ave San Francisco, CA 94122

https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer
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Re: image 1

Postby Choice » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:23 pm

Dominick wrote:I see nothing wrong with stirring the pot with fresh ideas, specially when a puzzle has been stagnate for decades. Yes, some ideas might seen dumb but they still draw attention to something that some one might have missed. Did I laugh when Choice proposed that the lady in the image was mouthing something? Yes, yes I did. I even posted about it. But I did not insult or demean the poster. I never really looked at the mouth of the lady in detail before. I have now. Did it help, I don't know.


OK, new theory about her mouth! She's a Greek mythology creature 'Siren'. This goes well with the speaker tower theory, nautical and rock theme.
Her mouth is whispering a soft song to attract her victim sailors.
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Postby Choice » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:03 am

I heard someone posted the image of pear on her hand on FB but couldn't bring it home. I think this is another rebus; pear 4, Pier 4.
Round collar is the cove, her shoulders are bay, by the water are the piers and geometric codes are pier 04 (black point) and 43. Pier 43 for stonewall's door or for balance of the image.

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Re: image 1

Postby JR Peraza » Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:26 am

Apologies for not having posted here in a very long time, but I have officially met with the National Park Service (NPS) today to submit my proposed solution for San Francisco. I only ask that you please be kind with your feedback. Cheers! https://youtu.be/yXBQssfc_Tg
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Re: image 1

Postby Rviewer1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:29 pm

In San Francisco back in the 1980 it was wide open. If BP wanted to bury the casque in Sutro Heights Park he would have. 2 blocks away was GGP. My solution obviously is in Sutro Heights Park and the NPS will not give a permit. Is there a way or someone that I can talk to say my solve ends on a specific spot but it is on NPS land. If in fact the solution is correct can they do anything about it.
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Re: image 1

Postby Choice » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:56 pm

I thought you're going to probe the spot Deadpool style!

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Re: image 1

Postby Rviewer1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:39 pm

Too many people have approached the NPS in SF. It seems the more that happens the more they say they will arrest you and prosecute you. Now they are on the lookout for anyone probing or digging. I really like this treasure hunt but not enough to get arrested. I’m not sure on where to go from here. My super hero days are over.
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Re: image 1

Postby Choice » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:51 pm

With all the Nelson's posts on Sterling Park on FB and all the negative response to his relentless insistence, I decided to check out the area for merit.
The first thing Is of course the dragon would be Lombard St. to the north and east.
To the south is Greenwich St.
To the west check out 2525 Larking St. https://tinyurl.com/tnrjduy
Doorway similar to the frame of image 1; zoom into the doorway. Isn't that the same griffin design as the senior center? (Assuming it was there in early 80's). https://tinyurl.com/v9qaxzg
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Re: image 1

Postby Rviewer1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:32 pm

Interesting. Yep, lots of solutions over there. It’s hard to keep up.
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Re: image 1

Postby Choice » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:57 am

Across the street: https://tinyurl.com/rgzb7m9
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Re: image 1

Postby Rviewer1 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:34 pm

That’s good. It’s one of the few barred windows surrounded by Stone I have seen. One philosophical difference I have with stonewalls door is that everyone comes up with stonewalls archway. The only literal stonewalls door is in SHP. But that looks like the barred window in the image. What’s hour dig spot?
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Re: image 1

Postby Choice » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:54 pm

Rviewer1 wrote:The only literal stonewalls door is in SHP. But that looks like the barred window in the image. What’s hour dig spot?


To quote Yoda; "There is another!" https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8074955 ... 384!8i8192

I have no dig spot since I literally spent 15 minutes on this as fact check.
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