Verse 9

[erexere]

I'm thinking there is a good possibility for a casque in FOY, but I'm interested in using a verse other than 9 and image other than 6 if possible.  Image 3?  A windmill in the area?  Knight of 'column' 'bust' (Columbus?)...

[fox]

How can you like the location but not what got you there?  Without I6 and V9 you wouldn't even be at FOY...much less even in Florida. 

[erexere]

How can you like the location but not what got you there?  Without I6 and V9 you wouldn't even be at FOY...much less even in Florida. 

You don't miss a detail, Fox! 

My reasoning isn't based on any hard evidence, only a suspicion that lots of similarities collectively point to St. Augustine and whether Preiss or Palencar drew from that place as a resource to throw us into a maze of red herrings or to pair a most unlikely seeming V and P to a specific location nearby is unclear.  I'm still 100% on P6V5 being Oregon and I'm 95% on four other pairings.  Although many passing ideas haven't led to a strong connection to a P or V location, some spark of significance might still be worth considering.  I won't ignore a detail simply because I have an alternative in mind.  I need to understand why a detail fails to meet a verifiable criteria.  Preiss' constructions are precise on some level.  Looking at the Cleveland and Chicago solves has helped me understand that much.

[forest_blight]

WR - to see the men with wind rose you must enter the park, because they are inside the entrance to the planetarium. There is a scale model of a ship, with lots of little men clinging to the rigging, on the east wall of the vestibule. On the opposite (west) wall is a wind rose. It even says "wind rose" in the caption below the wind rose.

Why are we still debating this??

[bigmattyh]

WR - to see the men with wind rose you must enter the park, because they are inside the entrance to the planetarium. There is a scale model of a ship, with lots of little men clinging to the rigging, on the east wall of the vestibule. On the opposite (west) wall is a wind rose. It even says "wind rose" in the caption below the wind rose.

Why are we still debating this??

It is possible that it's buried just outside the park.  Obviously, you'd have to have been inside it to understand all the references.

There is definitely a casque in or around this park, and this verse and image get you there.

[WhiteRabbit]

WR - to see the men with wind rose you must enter the park, because they are inside the entrance to the planetarium. There is a scale model of a ship, with lots of little men clinging to the rigging, on the east wall of the vestibule. On the opposite (west) wall is a wind rose. It even says "wind rose" in the caption below the wind rose.

Thanks Forest. So the planetarium fully accounts for these lines.

Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness

Incidentally, I don't think that FOY are actually averse to people looking for this casque - last time I contacted them there was a new manager who sounded quite interested in finding it. Hopefully cobock1 will be doing a reccy sometime later this year.

[WhiteRabbit]

The first chapter
Written in water
Near men
With wind rose

Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness

There's quite a lot about the planetarium then. Maybe the rock represents the planetarium dome, seen here over the wall. As I've mentioned, this is a star sapphire, displaying asterism, so it's in the right spot.










I suppose you could interpret the verse as saying: "Behind (you are) bending branches and a green picket fence at the base of a tall tree"; ie, a scene like this:



(...the branches are all pretty bendy round here...)



...and in front of you, the dome where stars move.



In this shot, you're standing next to the hydrant with the cannon behind you, looking back up the road towards the entrance. The edge of the green picket fence is on the left, and the yellow sign seen in the above pic is on the right. The dome is somewhere ahead, over on the right.

[forest_blight]

WR -- the owners of FOY are highly averse to people digging without permission. And to get permission, you had better have an extremely solid reason for digging in a very restricted area. See prior posts by stercox.

[WhiteRabbit]

They didn't like people digging without permission, understandably, but the current manager seems open to the idea of looking for it. I had an email from him back in March with some photos and theories and even offering to do some digging himself. (I don't think it's in the main park area in any case, but somewhere along the verge in Magnolia.)

[wk]

You get a good view on Goggle Maps. The green picket fence and tall tree seem to be near the exit from the car park.



This should be an embedded Streetview so you can zoom in on the fence and tree. Is it possible on this forum?

[wk]

The perimeter wall seems to be made of stones and pebbles.

"Shell, limestone, silver, salt" ?

Have you found the piece of wall where the pebbles match the pattern of rocks around the blue jewel?

[forest_blight]

These words come from signs inside FOY park. "Shells" and "limestone" are in close proximity to each other on one sign, and "silver salt" occurs in another (reference to the park's most famous -- and highly dubious -- artifact, a silver salt cellar supposedly unearthed there).

See stercox' photos at webshots. All you have to do is google "stercox" and "webshots" and you will find two collections of photos of FOY taken by someone specifically looking for references in this verse.

[WhiteRabbit]

The perimeter wall seems to be made of stones and pebbles.

The wall is interesting...it's made of oyster shells.

http://www.thelensflare.com/gallery/p_t ... _36487.php

"Written in water" is from Shelley's epitaph.

"Silver, salt" is connected with "casque", which appears on the silver salt cellar's sign. Maybe "shell, limestone" were also chosen for a reason, because they connect with something; eg, the wall. "Like moonlight in teardrops" makes the same cryptic association.

[four21thrasher]

a pearl inside of an oyster shell would look like a moon that shines inside a shape of a teardrop.

[forest_blight]

WR: "The first chapter / Written in water" is not, I would wager, taken from Shelley's epitaph. "The first chapter" is taken directly from a sign nailed to the main gate of FOY: "The First Chapter / Our U.S. History," while "Written in water" is a reference to the Fountain of Youth itself.