The Sarmiento Conundrum

[jayheedan1]

Here is an online resource for Abroad in America

https://archive.org/details/abroadinamericav00pach

[jayheedan1]

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4. The Japanese hint alludes to its interpretation as being more than a direct quote. As stated, Preiss admits this quote was from a book, but there is another step we should take: ‘turn the encyclopedia upside down.’ This hint was interesting and largely ignored. The translator also states ‘not to go looking in a library for this book’ and contrasts this hint to a previous hint which was a direct book reference to Herman Melville.
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Could have also meant this particular book Abroad in America, had more than one relevant verse quotes/references; not just Sarmiento/NOLA, but also Blyden/Charleston, where as the Melville/Towers of Delight/Pierre book reference was only used for the one verse.

Turn this book upside down...i.e. find the other(s) references.

[GabbySand2]

I have a different take on this. Pre-internet days would require a lot more research to find the quote. I think there would be a great advantage in finding it. Even if it meant starting at a vacant lot.

[UnprovenFact]

Thanks to Jay for the link. So, I read a little of Abroad in America. Here is my take on it:

Sarmiento is on a boat!.. Down by the river! When over the surrounding structures and trees, he sees a marvel of modern construction so grand it most certainly is some sort of majestic religious temple, right? An architectural rival for St. Peter’s at the Vatican? Nope. It’s a hotel. So he says, ‘Hold up. These people built this thing just to have a place to crash? I gotta write this down. Somebody take a picture. You know, in case something happens to it.. like a fire or something.’

Meanwhile, for several months in ’89-’90 (no, the other ’89-’90) the Send-‘em-Back Society parades Blyden around on an American tour in an effort to convince Africans to return with him to the motherland, because he feels the two races should not intermingle. He makes several stops along the way. Charleston is just one. While in town, he gets the royal rock star treatment, meets some ‘genuine’ people, has a super-fan name her kids after him, and then heads on to Georgia and Florida on his ‘heaven-appointed’ mission to ‘solve the [race] problem.’

Ok, maybe I just skimmed it a little. But in all of those pages, the entire book, we get 21 words which might apply to our hunt. I have to say, as a teen or twenty-something in the 1980s, with no literary knowledge to speak of, I wouldn’t even have known of this book’s existence. There is no way I would have read this. Seriously, who here knew anything about it before somebody else mentioned it somewhere else?

For Preiss to require his readers to find 21 words in about as obscure a place as could be, that seems like way too much to ask or expect. Either these quotes are mere coincidences, or there is some other way for us to know we need to seek out this particular book and look for those particular pages. And even then, the only help it could possibly offer is a connection of a couple verses to a couple cities. Maybe.

[GabbySand2]

Abroad n America was not the only source for the Sarmiento quote though.

[BINGO]

There are multiple sources for literary quotes. Oxford and Bartlett’s have multiple pre-1980 editions of literary quotations.

[jayheedan1]

There are multiple sources for literary quotes. Oxford and Bartlett’s have multiple pre-1980 editions of literary quotations.

... etc is identified as "a quote from a book...let's open the quotation dictionary again".

Regardless of the reference material, it doesn't change the meaning or source of the quote(s).

[davinci4]

We do need another interpretation of this particular translation from the Japanese clues. If you haven’t recently, listen to the podcast again. The interpreter implies there is more than just ‘opening the quotation’ dictionary - listen and see if you agree.

I had heard we were getting another translation of the Japanese clues, any update?

[jayheedan1]

We do need another interpretation of this particular translation from the Japanese clues. If you haven’t recently, listen to the podcast again. The interpreter implies there is more than just ‘opening the quotation’ dictionary - listen and see if you agree.

I had heard we were getting another translation of the Japanese clues, any update?

Following your first suggestion, I listened to the podcast. To me, it simply meant turn upside down/thoroughly search this source ("quote dictionary"/Abroad) for additional references, unlike the Pierre reference.

How did you interpret it?

[davinci4]

Hi Jay. It was just odd the way the translator seems to contrast this clue with the previous clue which was also about a quotation.

[Eastcoast]

I recently gave a solution for a new park in Milwaukee to Ward through his Facebook account. Asked to review it privately with his group for a while where it is a new park and prefer it not get dug up unnecessarily if possible. Not heading south anytime soon and thought the larger groups may have more luck moving something that looks promising. Using different pairings based on information given in Japanese print. Using that I paired P10 to V2 and found St Charles Hotel connection in Milwaukee city history. Its a simple solution and I think it will prove out correct, the immediate park area appears unchanged since 1980 with the "X" marks still identifiable.
Sociable

Thought you all should have it along with the Facebook group. There is a simple clue map and some images of St Charles Hotel in city square I didn't provide but the details below are clear enough.
I provided openly with hopes someone working with local agencies could get it checked with some care, they don't deserve to have their sports field dug up where its a lower income neighborhood.
Too many more important things happening in that city to be messing around with this anytime soon, no coastal erosion to worry about so it'll still be there in 2022.
Didn't want to muddy up your P10 or V2 posts with all my Canuck craziness.

Milwaukee, King Park P10 V2
Painting Clues
- Juggler has 7 items, 4 make up the month indicators and 3 items are puzzle for city name.
- Prior discovery puzzle is city name: Millstone(MIL) + Walking stick/cane(WAU) + Key(KEE).
- Prior discovery of Milwaukee City Hall outline in painting.
- Painting portrays city hall like a CASTLE on a high mountain top to help make connection to “King Park”.
- Juggler would be part of a kings court also clue to “King Park”.

Verse #2 Clues
There is no treasure path where explicit location is defined on the third line and path start and end are same spot, exact middle/center of the football field.

At the place where jewels abound (Location Clue)
Fifteen rows down to the ground (Location Clue)
- “place where jewels abound” is clue to King Park, time period Kings were the ones who had the rooms full of jewels/gold/etc.
- “15 rows” is clue to the pair of unique round towers (now demolished) across street (west) very visible from middle of football field.

In the middle of twenty-one (Final Treasure Site)
From end to end (Location Clue)
Only three stand watch (Location Clue)
- “middle of twenty-one” is the middle of US football field, 21 lines make up field.
- “From end to end” is another simple clue to football field end zones.
- “three stand watch” is another football clue where youth leagues/middle school would typically only use 3 officials to “watch”/officiate the game.

As the sound of friends (Location Clue)
Fills the afternoon hours (Location Clue)
- Clue to the baseball stadium nearby, afternoon ballgames at open stadium would have made it loud on game days.
- Stadium is also next to the “namesakes” clue described below.

Here is a sovereign people (Identified Quote)
Who build palaces to shelter (Identified Quote)
Their heads for a night (Identified Quote)
- Prior discovered quote from Domingo Faustino Sarmiento where he was describing the Saint Charles Hotel in New Orleans during a visit touring North America.
- It’s a misdirection, I found another historic St Charles Hotel in Milwaukee (almost next to city hall) that is directly connected to the one in New Orleans.

https://onmilwaukee.com/history/article ... hotel.html
Captain Diedrich Upman, a Water Street tavern owner from Hanover, Germany. In 1859, he purchased the bankrupt Hotel Wettstein on Milwaukee's Market Square with plans to build the finest hotel in Milwaukee. His goal was to recreate the majestic St. Charles Hotel in New Orleans, after spending many happy hours there after the war.

Gnomes admire (Filler)
Fays delight (Filler)
- Simply prose filler.

The namesakes meeting (Location Clue)
Near this site. (Location Clue)
- Milwaukee was originally three communities that merged. S. Juneau, B. Kilbourn and G. Walker considered founding fathers or city’s namesakes.
- Next to baseball stadium Juneau Avenue, Kilbourn Circle and Walker Road meet.
- The namesakes meeting and baseball stadium can be considered “Near” the actual treasure site.

- This puts King Park, treasure site, smack in the middle of other clues with stadium & namesakes clue pair to the west and City Hall & St Charles clue pair to the east.

Happy Early Turkey Day Hosers

[Eastcoast]

Clues
https://ibb.co/T24nL5J

Park 1980
https://ibb.co/6YXXxnf

[Choice]

Why not I2V2? There's a golden "dome" where golden football helmet is!