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Postby Merlot Brougham » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:03 pm

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erexere wrote:I think the fact that the bird is so similar to the Ellis bird is a huge step forward.  The natural inclination would be to think the casque is very close to where that detailed visual is found, but everything about burying something on Ellis seems wrong, which poses a new question: why use THOSE eagles?

I suspect there's an intrinsic connection to be found that has to do with the whole process of being a tourist, buying a ferry ticket, and visiting a historic monument.  The Ellis Island Ferry may have been Preiss' closest to home template to build that particular portion of his visual puzzle for the purpose of inference.


Holy… crap. I agree with everything you just said.

The eagle is definitely a match. It's possible that it's meant just to be a marker for NYC, which I think is okay in this case, since the book is so heavily themed with immigration.


Wouldn't it be more likely that the fairy's resemblance to Lady Liberty is the marker for NYC and the bird is a specific match to a known sculpture at a distinct location that is backed up by another clue in the image (the red outline of the Ellis Island harbor)?

The "red herring" here, I think, when considering the known depths of Preiss' trickery, would be that you'd make the NYC connection with Lady Liberty and think the rectangle is the profile of one of the twin towers.  It's not until you dig deeper and connect the red outline to Ellis Island, and then confirm with the bird sculpture once you're there.
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Re: image 12

Postby erexere » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:34 pm

I see that twin tower analogue.  If that's the intent, maybe it's a hint about twin things, though I doubt you'd like my suggestion that it applies to the other Lady Liberty statue near Alki Beach in Washington: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ankneyd/1392806866/

I have an afterthought using Verse 9, similar to Ponce's first landing in St. Augustine, Alki Beach has a memorial to the first landing of the "white man", the Birthplace of Seattle monument.
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Re: image 12

Postby Egbert » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:38 am

I would tend to agree with Merlot on this.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the eagle on Ellis Island is at an old building which is no longer in use, and you actually have to walk pretty far from where you land on the ferry, to see it.  It is not one of the eagles on the main building, since I did not see the correct eagle when I got off the ferry on Ellis Island. 

In other words, if the correct eagle is on an obscure building, far from where the ferry lands, then that would not just simply be a NYC "confirmer."  Rather, it is more of something that you would see when you are near the treasure spot.  A city "confirmer" would be the Cleveland terminal tower or the Chicago water tower, or the Statue of Liberty.  Not the eagle over there in the corner on that abandoned building that nobody knows about.
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Re: image 12

Postby four21thrasher » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:30 am

I found an apple...

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Re: image 12

Postby Merlot Brougham » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:48 am

Egbert wrote:I would tend to agree with Merlot on this.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the eagle on Ellis Island is at an old building which is no longer in use, and you actually have to walk pretty far from where you land on the ferry, to see it.  It is not one of the eagles on the main building, since I did not see the correct eagle when I got off the ferry on Ellis Island.  

In other words, if the correct eagle is on an obscure building, far from where the ferry lands, then that would not just simply be a NYC "confirmer."  Rather, it is more of something that you would see when you are near the treasure spot.  A city "confirmer" would be the Cleveland terminal tower or the Chicago water tower, or the Statue of Liberty.  Not the eagle over there in the corner on that abandoned building that nobody knows about.


The birds are on the Ferry Building. Here's a video with a little history about that particular building and some relevant dates.

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Re: image 12

Postby four21thrasher » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:52 am

wk wrote:It is Prospect Park. I tried fitting the outline of the park over the shadows on the body and it matches the clothes.
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I can't really see the park in the shadows on her dress, and your outline seems to be taking quite a few liberties as a match; but, your thoughts made me look at the shadows in the picture again. Perhaps we are looking in the shadows to find the coordinates. I'd say that's a 75 in her dress, and her hands look as though they could be signing 4 and an 0.

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I do like Prospect Park, and there are definitely interesting ways to apply different parts of V10 (e.g., the Moore bust, rhapsodic soil, ocean ave, east dr, etc.). There is one spot I like a lot, near the east wood arch: http://goo.gl/maps/kBekL
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Re: image 12

Postby wk » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:51 pm

Your darker photo on the right makes it even more obvious.  :o
Anyway, there are also other confirmations like the Long Meadow and the lake.
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Re: image 12

Postby four21thrasher » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:06 pm

I had a few new ideas lately that I'd like to share. I found the Little Red Lighthouse at the base of the GW Bridge, which had been mentioned here some years ago. It certainly fits the first two lines of V10. Then, if you follow Riverside Dr. south 3.0 miles (http://goo.gl/maps/L7ZC9), you will run into a segment of land that EXACTLY matches the fold coming down from the lady's belt:

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Then if you look immediately to the east, you will see two eagles that, from the side, look like this (matching all but the tongue from up close):

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When viewing the eagles from the west side of the monument (which was massively run down in the 70's/80's - http://www.grantstomb.org/tdr2.html) looking east, you would be looking over the cracked ceramic/ceramic bench murals by Antoni Gaudí.

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There are 22 steps leading from the west side of the tomb to the east side (18 on the west side, 4 on the east side), leading over to Sakura Park.

I realize this leaves a lot unexplained, but I thought it was quite interesting.
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Re: image 12

Postby four21thrasher » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:25 am

four21thrasher wrote:When viewing the eagles from the west side of the monument (which was massively run down in the 70's/80's - http://www.grantstomb.org/tdr2.html) looking east, you would be looking over the cracked ceramic/ceramic bench murals by Antoni Gaudí.

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"Four hundred feet of undulating free-form cement benches... A third of the benches honor the life and interests of Ulysses Grant. Others are known as the Ice, Medieval, Native American, Spanish, Caribbean, and New York City benches."

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Re: image 12

Postby erexere » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:43 am

I posted this before, only I rotated and cropped it differently.  What I like about this is it fits with the view of the Rock and the roof which matches the dark shaded portion on her other elbow area.  Given there's practically nothing else of note this area of the San Juan Island landscape, this is what I prefer to call a significant observation.  It's like looking at the horizon and seeing one notable iconic building in the distance.

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Re: image 12

Postby wk » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:49 am

wk wrote:Another confirmer for Prospect Park. This yellow dotted line follows the light contrast on the dress and indicates a direction from the west entrance to the Lookout Hill.

The more I look at this image, the more I am impressed that the artist achieved the task of depicting a map of the park as a work of art.

Do you think he knew about this hill?

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Where the yellow dotted line meets the red outline of the park in the middle of the waist belt is the entrance to the park.
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Re: image 12

Postby erexere » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:52 pm

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This is what I'm thinking. Osprey.
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Re: image 12

Postby WhiteRabbit » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:02 pm

AP once pointed out the Hamilton Fish Center as an Indies Native sign. The windows have a similar pattern of divisions to the image. That could even be a "weird rectangular blob" motif in the brickwork.

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Maybe it would be worth a map / recap of NY Russian Orthodox churches in case it's a guide to the general area. Love the colour of this one in Queens.

http://notnewyork.net/2011/08/16/russia ... in-queens/

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Re: image 12

Postby fox » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:25 am

erexere wrote:Image

This is what I'm thinking. Osprey.


Our bird's head has been found in a couple of locations. The bird's body is obviously that of a sea bird by looking at its wings and feet. An osprey is far from being a sea bird. Finding an image of an osprey in a similar position as our bird is meaningless. If we had enough time and patience we could find any bird in the same position. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
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Re: image 12

Postby erexere » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:17 pm

fox, you raise a fine point about the generic quality of the bird.

I wonder if theres some form of rebus going on. I noticed some words that almost seemed to identify with eachother though not truly related: skua and squaw. Very curious, though you may argue that this isnt a seabird...and you may argue that this couldnt posibly be an indian woman floating above the sea.
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