Verse 9

[bigtd35]

Hi, new to this forum and first post for me.  I believe that the Ponce De Leon (Mosquito) lighthouse is the right location....but trying to figure out where it is in relation to that.  Any one in FL want to work together on this?  Drop me an email

[Pine_Tree]

Howdy bigtd35, and welcome to the Q4T board.

Sorta in response to your question, but more broadly, everyone on this forum is working together -- not just on this one, but on all of them.  There are plenty of disagreements, but the goal is to support the discovery of the casques.

So you know, this is not like ATT.  We don't play the "I have a hunch but I'll only share it privately...." game.  Everyone here's pretty much wide-open with the ideas.

Have a good time.
Pine

[Trohn]

Pine Tree-

You should emphasize, in all good fun,
that the goals is in fact to disagree,
so that all theories are thoroughly
criticed.

After the scrutiny, the answers will
emerge.

Too bad its taking over twenty years though.
We must be good at disagreeing

[fox]

We must be good at disagreeing

No we're not!  lol 

[boogieman]

I disagree!

[forest_blight]

bigtd35 - While all ideas are scrutinized and argued against (sometimes vehemently... and mostly by me), it's all in a "devil's advocate" spirit to separate wheat from chaff. By the same token, all ideas are entertained, because until someone has a casque in their greedy claws, all ideas are equally correct.

The same principle underlies the practice of science, by the way. Popper and Lakatos would thoroughly approve of the way we conduct ourselves here. 

[fox]

AND

[bigtd35]

ok then  lol  you guys are a hoot. 

[catherwood]

Returning to the business of Verse 9...

Shell, limestone, silver, salt
Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness
Like moonlight in teardrops

Perhaps it would be far too obvious to use the word salt in the verse for Salt Lake City, but the limestone still works for Utah.  "Stars move by day" could be a planetarium in any city, but the old Hansen Planetarium in SLC is constructed of limestone of a type containing tiny shells.

"Sails pass by night", well, they have a marina on the Great Salt Lake, and sailboats are a common enough there. Here is a picture of the marina building:
http://home.earthlink.net/~travel179/images/UT022.JPG
Can you imagine the moonlight reflecting off those teardrop-shaped domes? 

I am convinced that Image 11 has the exact longitude/latitude for SLC, and it is just a matter of matching a verse to it.  I will be working on this one for now.

(returned to add this) -- that photo is elsewhere labeled as the Saltair (one word) Pavillion or Palace, not the marina itself, but a building within view just a few miles up the coast.  There is an amusing description of the history of the site here -- Saltair III opened in 1982.

[Trohn]

I want to offer up thw following thought-

"Near Men"  is a defintion of Monkeys.

[fox]

Near Men
With windrose..........




  ????  OR ???


hmmm...

[Trohn]

Not that I don't find humor, Fox,
I do

but wind rose is not a compass,
it is a map of historical wind frequencies...

like the kind used at
The National Hurricane Center

convientietly located in the middle of Miami.

[forest_blight]

but wind rose is not a compass,
it is a map of historical wind frequencies...

That is true, but wind roses are also an early form of compass rose found on maps, used as navigational aids. They often bear N, S, E, W designations. Here are some examples unearthed by Google:

[Trohn]

Interesting.

Who knew.

[Guyra42]

Hi Guys,
Been awhile since I've posted I know, but I have been working on the V9 P6 relationship for like a year or two now off and on around school.  I actually just came across this particular thread and was able to see the pictures of St. Augustine and The Fountain of Youth State Park.  We too had it pinned down to St. Augustine but a different park. Looking over the reasons for the Fountain park I give them credit, and in fact our park is only a bout a block or two down the road, a few of the lines I couldnt acount for Stercox found good relations for (particularly the stars moving by day line). I do kind of wish we could just squish them together. So with all that said I will now outline our ideas and experiences.  Sadly I dont have a way to post pictures, is there someone I could send them to?

In one of Stercox's photos you can see a giant cross in the background.  That cross comemorates the Nombre de Dios park, a park that celebrates the location that Ponce de Leon created the first chapter of the Catholic Church in America.  There are artworks depicting them creating the first chapter of the church while still standing in the water after first disembarking.  So this is what we attributed to "The first chapter written in water".

For the "near men with wind rose"..more or less connected to the Nombre de Dios park is the park or Our Lady De la Leche. It houses the first shrine to Mary on American soil, and surrounding the shrine is a cemtary. within the cemetary there is an old old fountain in the shape of a windrose. a bit of a stretch granted but it's all we could come up with.

Ok, "behind bending branches and a green picket fence at the base of a tall tree you can still hear the honking".... There is a grove of trees for bending branches, the fence is missing but we have been looking for old pictures (the St. Augustine historical society wasnt much help at all, in fact they sort of blew us off), the tall tree we are almost certain is that huge cross. and as for the you can still hear the honking, the road is just out of sight but is still audible. 

Shell limestone silver salt.  Aside from the coquina (a mixture of shells and sand and limestone) that is used all over St. Augustine they were also known for their silversmiths. The silver could also be the sunlight glinting on the water? from a poets perspective anyway.

Stars move by day sails pass by night. I like the planetarium for this. we couldnt come up with a very viable explanation at our site.

Even in darkness like moonlight in teardrops. we tend to stick this with "sails pass by night, even in darkness like moonlight in teardrops" and indeed at night the white sails did look something to that effect passing across the dark water of the bay.

"Over the tall grass Years pass, rain falls." We tend to agree, nothing much happens in the area of the bay outside these two parks besides years passing and rain falling. 

One thing i do have to add though, the white rock in the picture looks startling similar to an aerial view of a small island that is directly across a small channel from both these parks. It could be leading us to that island itself instead of to either of these parks. Our original notion was that this all lead to the dig site near the coast next to the huge cross, but we have begun think that perhaps it is leading us past it. like maybe the green picket fence is the small channel.  (maybe theres a large white rock on the island?) 

Let me know what ya think.  I'm sure I have left out some details and if any of note come to me I will post them.  As a final note I will say we have had a blast working on this, taking weekend excursions to St. Augustine, walking around the town till like 4 am b/c we had no where to stay etc.  Wouldnt give any of it up for the world, the casque would just be icing.  (P.S. if you arnt 21 you can't stay in St. Augustine, not even at a campsite, without having parents present. RE-DIC-U-LOUS, I was 19 at the time and about had a coniption when they told me I needed my parents there)

-Guyra