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Postby maltedfalcon » Mon May 24, 2004 3:36 pm

not a problem
I think If It was greed I wouldn't have posted at all.
I just would have kept my mouth shut and shadowed the board.
Its very close. I seriously think somebody should check out the hospital in Lincoln heigts it was the only large flagpole I could find in the area and from there
GG park, sutro Tower, the U of SF is all viewable
its possible the giant step is a planter box i.e. cleveland
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Re: image 1

Postby catherwood » Mon May 24, 2004 7:29 pm

I don't think it is rbFox's place to criticize maltedfalcon's decision to work on his own for a bit.  The other two of us living in the SF area backed off willingly.  If we were concerned about losing out on the treasure, we would have raised a stink ourselves, or traveled there to beat him to it.

I looked at the verse on my own and came up with a different location.  I have not yet made the journey into the city, because I don't think it ends in a specific enough location.

Here's some rambling thoughts:

I'll start with the assumption that the "sweet smell" is Ghirardelli chocolate factory -- but it is good to keep in mind that the foundation here is weak, and another verse might still work.

"At stone wall's door" -- possibly The Cannery, it's mostly new brick now, but maybe an original stone doorway or window frame exists, even better if it matches that one on the mountain in the image; this is located next to Ghirardelli Square.

"The air smells sweet" -- this is possibly confirmed by the backwards "Gh-" in the picture, as it is not G.H. as an abbreviation would be.

"Not far away, High posts are three" -- from Ghirardelli square, you can probably see the 3 masts of the Balclutha museum ship in the nearby Maritime Museum; this would also be an indication to walk in the direction of the Aquatic Park there too.

"Education and Justice, For all to see" -- (haven't found a use for this yet);

"Sounds from the sky" -- I was thinking about the Golden Gate bridge, mere blocks away from the Aquatic Park; I haven't spent much time at Fort Mason, but it is practically in the shadow of the bridge, which would be noisy with cars above (hard to confirm from the internet);

"Near ace is high" -- (really no idea what this is, could be a large letter A on a sign or building, which I do see in online photos of Fort Mason);

"Running north" -- which the GG bridge does,
"but first across"

"In jewel's direction" -- not sure if this is speaking of our buried gemstone or a location-specific item;

"Is an object, Of Twain's attention" -- according to one website there is a paddle boat wheel at the entrance to the Maritime Museum; sure Mark Twain liked river boats, but is this a case of me shoehorning the clues to fit a theory?

"Giant pole" -- another boat mast? At this point we would need to be on solid ground near the final dig location, maybe a flagpole at the fort;

"Giant step" -- (again, nothing specific to go on);

"To the place The casque is kept." -- the end.

So, I think we need to look at the Hyde Street Pier, possibly walking along the Aquatic Park, maybe as far as Fort Mason.  There are several styles of lamp posts along that route, one of which matches the spiral at the base of the flower stand in our image, and the table is sits on has a base which could also be in the shape of another lamp post.

Memorial Day weekend is coming up, which would give me more free time for explorations.
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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Mon May 24, 2004 9:26 pm

not a problem
I think If It was greed I wouldn't have posted at all.
I just would have kept my mouth shut and shadowed the board.



sorry about the accusation falcon.  it just seemed strange to me at the time....but now I understand.  maybe I should be apoligizing to cat as well with her response.  I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here folks and hope we can shore up another casque together.

thanks for posting the ideas falcon & cat.  I still think falcon may be on the right track but who knows, cat has proven me wrong on numerous occasions in the past  ;)
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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Mon May 24, 2004 10:35 pm

8)
getting back to P1.  I had always assumed the rocky mounains in the background w/ the barred windows referred to Alcatraz - "the rock"...but, in using falcon's theory of the P turned on it's side which closely resembles GGpark, I noticed another possibility.  Keeping the P on it's side, the rocky mountains would be to the west of the park.  Appx 30 west of SF (in pretty much a direct straight line) are the Farallon Islands.  http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_nwr/ca_faral.htmnotice the description of the Habitat : "211 acres of rocky islands."  One shot of the islands is seen here: http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/im ... 211201.jpg

there is or was an old lighthouse situated on the island but I have yet to find anything that even closely resembles a barred window/door.  

another possibility is more in the line of Cat's theory near Hyde St pier.  Directly north of HSp is "the rock" and just past that is Angel Island.  There once was a prison on AI:  "the island’s west side has an extensive collection of restored barracks from the Civil War, and on the east side are the haunting remains of the prison-like buildings that were once used to hold Chinese immigrants,..." but I have yet to find pics of them.  It ties in nicely with the Chinese theme of the P.
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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Mon May 24, 2004 11:12 pm

8)  We know that the old water tower in Chicago was in P5 and that the upsidedown-bldg outlined in trees in P4 was found in Cleveland...so...has anyone noticed the outline of the table holding the watch and the rose?  It looks like it could be of a bldg or something else nearby the site.   A very ifffy possibility would be a lantern in the Japanese Tea garden in GGpark.  There are numerous lanterns scattered throughout the park of varying sizes and shapes.  Here is one example:
http://www.inetours.com/images/Snglimgs ... erFall.jpg

looks to me like it may be something else to be looked into..
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Mon May 24, 2004 11:25 pm

it doesn't match any of the lanterns in the tea garden
I drove around hoping to find a street clock or bell tower to match but I didn't have any luck.

Highway 1 passes the rose garden in GG park
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Mon May 24, 2004 11:28 pm

oh thats one other thing I wanted to point out.
pix 1 has a map of GG park as viewed from above
The chicago Pix has a outline of the fountain in grant park when viewed from above.
Does the cleveland pix have any possible arial imagery imbeded into it?
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Mon May 24, 2004 11:33 pm

the hyde st area is a possibility no doubt
Gh for Ghirrardelli is possible
but when you line up the mirrored dragon and GGpark
the GH sits right beside the Great Highway
The lincoln outline and the GG park seems to me to point to the area south of the presidio not north.
BTW the cannery is brick not stone.

Still this could all be changed if the silohuette of the bldg/tower is north of the presidio.
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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Mon May 24, 2004 11:46 pm

next to the lady on the left facing upward is a silouette of Abraham Lincoln.


GGP is also bordered on the south by Lincoln Way.  It is bordered on the north by Fulton St.  There is what appears to be another possible profile on her other side but whether it is Robert Fulton or not, who knows.
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Re: image 1

Postby Egbert » Tue May 25, 2004 12:29 am

oh thats one other thing I wanted to point out.
pix 1 has a map of GG park as viewed from above
The chicago Pix has a outline of the fountain in grant park when viewed from above.
Does the cleveland pix have any possible arial imagery imbeded into it?


Sorry, no aerial imagery I could match.  In the lower left of the picture is a bunch of branches which I thought may be a map of the cultural gardens, but try as I might, it just wouldn't match.

You guys are chasing this one down nicely.  Here are more pics of Golden Gate Park than anyone could possibly want!

http://my.sfgov.org/photogallery/photogallery.aspx?dept=116&search=indexpage&location=Golden%20Gate%20Park&cS=1
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Re: image 1

Postby wilhouse » Tue May 25, 2004 1:05 am

could the object of Twain's desire be Fulton - ie., remember that Fulton sailed the first successful riverboat trip in NY.
http://www.ulster.net/~hrmm/steamboats/fulton.html

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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Tue May 25, 2004 6:07 am

8)
Nice idea wilhouse.  If that were the case, while standing in the park we would be looking north since Fulton Dr borders the park to the north.
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Re: image 1

Postby fox » Tue May 25, 2004 6:08 am

oh yeah,  WOW  :o egg on the pix of GGP.
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Tue May 25, 2004 3:56 pm

The fulton connection might work, because Fulton also built the New Orleans, the first Mississippi river steamboat.
I am ashamed I shouldve caught that. I just created a series of models of Rober Fulton's steamboats
check out http://www.delta7studios.com/fulton.htmand I didn't notice lincoln on the south side of GG park
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Re: image 1

Postby maltedfalcon » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:39 am

Im looking and looking -but I don't see any map of California in this picture -  I was thinking if the current map in the picture thread ran true there would need to be a CA map in pix 1 -
maybe the GGpark map counts.
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