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[Doghousereiley]

I get he found Cleveland, but he has, as far as i know, not shared with anyone the email he sent byron. He only shared the email byron sent him in return.

Did he tell byron "st Louis is beautiful, here's my dig spot" to which byron essentially replied: "your right it is a beautiful city, but the casque isnt there"

We will never know that, because we cant put the email in context.

YEs we do know that Just read the posts on Q4T by Johann.

[burnstyle]

If I were to tell you I emailed JJp and told him my solution to one puzzle was in a park in eugene Oregon, and he told me I was right about Eugene but wrong about the location... then I refused to show you what I said about eugene, you wouldnt believe me either.

You would want to see the email I sent him.

Like I said. There is some evidence for st Louis, but without context, this email is not part of that evidence.

[forest_blight]

Ask the new Facebook moderator Forest Blight. He got a copy of the email and he asked about the spelling. Does Preacher still have a copy?

THIS IS RESPONSE TO FOREST BLIGHT who appears to have received a copy of the email

For the record, I never saw the original e-mail that johann sent to Preiss that led to the ambiguous response. It would be extremely valuable to find that e-mail. My hazy memory is that johann looked for, but could not find, the message and could not remember exactly what question he put to Preiss.

[Doghousereiley]

If I were to tell you I emailed JJp and told him my solution to one puzzle was in a park in eugene Oregon, and he told me I was right about Eugene but wrong about the location... then I refused to show you what I said about eugene, you wouldnt believe me either.

You would want to see the email I sent him.

Like I said. There is some evidence for st Louis, but without context, this email is not part of that evidence.

You and I have gone over it before about Houston. So now you flipped. I asked what wilhouse wrote to Byron priest and what was response. I said I didnt want to dig the spot where Byron told wilhouse it wasn't

YOU TOLD ME I HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK AND WILHOUSE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO SHARE

Yet you believe wilhouses email from Bryon about Houston? Did you read any of wilhouses original emails? They ones he would not give me? Are you UNWILLING TO SHARE. Wilhouse is unwilling to share. You told me I was wrong for asking and he was right for not sharing

How are you any different concerning Johann

You seem to be a hypocrite ignoring the facts.


Yet you dont believe Johann. CHERRY PICK THE FACTS man. and Ignore the Q4T posts. and you kinda sound pathetic with your beautiful city argument. he didn't say that. no proof he did
but there are posts detailing what Johann wrote

search the posts. up in the upper right corner is a box. it says search. type in Johann and read

PS. I would believe you if you SHOWED me an email from Byron Priess and then told me what you email said. I would like to see it but I would believe you I believe Wilhouse when he said Byron sent him an email. I have not seen the any of his sent messages. but I believe them.

It is obvious you can't make a blind man see

[Doghousereiley]

Read the posts

Image 10 verse 7 St Louis Tower Grove park near Shakespeare statue

this is what I gather from Johanns posts as to what he wrote Byron Priess

I called Johann in MAY 2019 and SPOKE WITH HIM ON THE PHONE

He confirmed that was the solution email he wrote Priess

BUT I KNOW YOU WONT BELIEVE ME IF I TOLD YOU

[forest_blight]

We simply don't have johann's original e-mail -- it's that simple. The only reason we know about it at all is because Brian kept a copy of BP's reply, which johann had sent him earlier. I would give a lot to see johann's e-mail to BP. The specific wording of that e-mail is the critical issue, because that is what determines the meaning of BP's response.

[Doghousereiley]

DHR - Damn, you get really angry about old emails. I think I was the one who told you that Mark didn't owe you anything. He doesn't and everybody knows he was digging in the former Children's Zoo. All I was trying to say regarding the Johann dialogue was, without context(the original email) there is some ambiguity there. We all shared pretty openly back then and there would have been no reason to hide his solution and email. I always remember thinking it was odd that he left what he sent out. No big deal, that guy was a gem, without him Brian would have been scratching his head looking at Philly. It was seriously a fun time to be involved in the Q4T discussions.

mark doesn't owe me anything. so you are the hypocrite. you knock Johann for not posting and then praise wilhosue for doing the same.


I am sure you believe wilhouse without seeing his original emails he sent to Byron. Because that is okay for wilhouse. But dont believe Johann????

I asked to see the original emails from wilhouse and was told rather rudely by you and other I have no right to ask.

I guess you are Q4T Police

Golden Martyr. You have been on since late 2018. I believe the interactions I am referring was way before then. So you were not the person you claim to be

[Doghousereiley]

Golden Martyr. You have been on since late 2018. I believe the interactions I am referring was way before then. So you were not the person you claim to be

You are delusional man, I am knocking nobody. I treat everybody with the same disrespect! I am Fenix's evil twin.

Delusional? please explain

[Doghousereiley]

I am Fenix's evil twin.

oh. that explains the petty bickering on page 5 of this thread

[Doghousereiley]

Delusional? please explain

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characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
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"their delusional belief in the project's merits never wavers"

I'm going to kill you with kindness and go with the "mistaken" definition today. As in "You are mistaken man, I am knocking nobody. I treat everybody with the same disrespect!"

I have a hard time telling if you are joking
My belief is not contradicted by reality or rational argument. It is in fact supported by facts from my previous posts. I feel it is you who have failed to explain why St Louis is not a viable option when the email said

St Louis Tower Park near Shakespeare statue image 10 verse 7

reply is you are argh about st Louis but not about the location


Why dont you contact Johann and ask him yourself before you discount it?
Do a little research before you amok an opinion


Why do people make simple things so complicated?

[burnstyle]

The difference between Johann and Mark's emails is Mark's theory of Houston stands alone without the email. It fits within what is commonly believed to be correct about the puzzle. Mark's email is icing on the cake so to speak.

If johanns email is true, then everything else about the puzzle is wrong. And for people to accept that everything else is wrong, they are going to need some context.

Mark is happy to let whoever wants to, ignore his email... you dont need it to solve Houston, you dont need it to believe Houston was solved.

From everything I have seen about st Louis, you really need that email... otherwise there would be no reason to be there.

[Doghousereiley]

So you are saying Houston was solved??

[renovator]

So you are saying Houston was solved??

This:
"It would not be a waste of time to dig there, but I cannot make any guarantees whatsoever."
Versus this:
"If you have correctly determined the location of a treasure, we will respond to you by mail."
Sounds to me like Preiss could have made all the necessary guarantees, if in fact Mark had determined the location of the treasure. So unless you think Preiss was lying, or just didn't remember where he buried these things, or simply did not care about the puzzle and those who were still trying to solve it anymore, then the most likely explanation is that Mark had the wrong location. And while Preiss could have told him so, Mark was able to determine this for himself by digging an empty hole.
In my opinion, and with all due respect to Mark and his efforts, Houston remains unsolved.

[Choice]

For all we know BP could be giving a cryptic answer "yes to St. Louis" confirming that there's a reference to St. Louis in a puzzle.
Good candidate could be image 12 and the Lone Eagle, the Spirit of St. Louis.

[four21thrasher]

To be fair, you haven't seen reality yet. Not to mention, the Rule that founded my festival is much more reliable.

Sorry, missed this one when trying to convince that dude that is PM'ing everybody asking for my phone number and address to stay sane. I am all ears and entirely open minded to your theories. I only poke fun because you have been teasing them for the last 12+ months.

I can take it all day. In fact, I think that it's something that builds community b/w board members. Clearly, not everyone feels that way. It's the personal digs that I don't understand. Last time I shared anything, some douchebag spread a bunch of lies in an effort to make a dime, and then accused me of trying to steal his last. It's unbelievable what people will go through to secure their "stature." Luckily, I know people will look back once our solution does come out and look fondly on everything Renovator and I wrote. I fully admit, we've both had some horribly cringe-worthy posts over the years, but in the last you'll see our demeanor has changed. Kindly judge us from that point forward.