The methodology discussion

[Rviewer1]

Page 117 of the book may be the most significant page of the book clue-wise.
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Agreed. Well done.

Geary's also in another magazine same page. "Man-eating Erica sets her sights on Luke".

Erica is a character played by Lucci
Luke is a character played by Geary

Notice Magnum PI between Diana and Geary right in the middle? How about a Magnum of wine?

Sutro Heights Park includes "a small door that once opened into a storage cellar, possibly for wine".

Yep Sutro Heights Park did have a wine cellar and storage room. Then when it fell out of use it was walled off with stone
creating a literal Stone walls door. Everything always comes back to SHP including Geary and Diana.

[Choice]

...reminds me of the casque/helmet link; "Casque Normand" etc.

JJP also mentioned that "there was something about the centaur's helmet," but no one has ever said what that was.

Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

might the cap that nobody has found be the same shaped rooftop window as you look opposite? http://goo.gl/maps/zVwwC

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:14 pm

This is the house DIRECTLY across from the columns.

I thought this was discussed and settled to be Parkgate ave. https://tinyurl.com/yyovpmyd

[chevechercher]

I thought this was discussed and settled to be Parkgate ave. https://tinyurl.com/yyovpmyd

Clearly not. Parkgate Avenue is the centaur's tail.

[erexere]

I thought this was discussed and settled to be Parkgate ave. https://tinyurl.com/yyovpmyd

Clearly not. Parkgate Avenue is the centaur's tail.

It may be more important to recognize that the tail shape is mirrored and rotated 180 degrees upside down. Its the same as taking a physical piece of tracing paper after tracing a somewhat unique road segment bounding the area and flipping it over and turning upside down to include in the painting. Unfortunately Inwas met by much disagreement in this issue because many people dont believe this is feasible, so forget I mentioned it.

[gManTexas]

I thought this was discussed and settled to be Parkgate ave. https://tinyurl.com/yyovpmyd

Clearly not. Parkgate Avenue is the centaur's tail.

Is it though? How can you be so sure? Given the scale of the other clues, is it really?

[erexere]

Maybe the better question is why do people agree or disagree about a thing?

Or, how does it help the narrative in the face of results vs disagreeing with a very clear argument or verified source that isnt purely subjective, i.e. not a baseless opinion.?

To me there is some value in looking at how "simple" in terms of a puzzle masqueraded by design is not always going to be absent of some manipulation of clever trick. Simple in this case could mean an easy tracing, a flip, and/or full 180 turn of graphic intended to work in our minds as we translate the designers methods into reality.

[chevechercher]

It may be more important to recognize that the tail shape is mirrored and rotated 180 degrees upside down.

Or more simply and equivalently, it's mirrored vertically (relatively to an horizontal axis). Which is also easy to do with a calque and can be seen easily with a simple mirror.

[erexere]

I'm curious to see what people say about the comparisons of some verse lines to items of popular public knowledge.

Leading in with Robert Lewis Stevenson's Treasure Island,
"To the Hesitating Purchaser"

If sailor tales to sailor tunes,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And all the old romance, retold

As compared to Verse 6:

Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old

Boston's casque was found in Puopolo, named after a promising young Italian baseball player who died tragically. Compare to a song which mentions a famous Italian baseball player, though he was still presently living, however the lyric was somewhat misleading:

"Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Jolting Joe has left and gone away"

Now again compare these lines of that song,

Look around you
all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you
feel at home

Compare to verse 3,

Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see

Didnt someone here once mention that the word letters could be referring to sports players, since lettermen is a term for high school or college athletes? Andrew Puopolo for instance?

I have a hard time believing the naval flags were the letters when there may be a more satisfying baseball field related idea.

I'm also partial to the double duty of feel at home being coupled with a way to hint at home plate but also Longfellow's Landlord's Tale for the link to Paul Revere's rowing a boat across the Charles.

[erexere]

Dude, Andrew Puopolo was a Harvard football player.

Haha, I thought he was a baseball player.... I guess I assumed too much. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

[Choice]

I have a hard time believing the naval flags were the letters when there may be a more satisfying baseball field related idea.

But didn't JJP confirm that letters are indeed the flags on EU?

[erexere]

Looked to me like he was saying the letters for B-O-S-T-O-N were hidden in the paint but also naval flags, but he also seems to be guarding Byron and the IP of the publisher by withholding information that would confirm or betray the puzzle's secrets. The meanings of the verse could be separate from the visual symbolism, so I'm not sure if he was talking about the line "all the letters..." specifically.

[strike13]

I have a hard time believing the naval flags were the letters when there may be a more satisfying baseball field related idea.

But didn't JJP confirm that letters are indeed the flags on EU?

He mentioned that on the podcast after EU

[Choice]

Yeah, thanks 13, after listening to the podcast again he does mention the USS Constitution flags on her robe but didn't hear him saying that's 'all the letters'. May be two different things or not. It's at 2:40 time on the audio below:

http://12treasures.com/media/podcast/s0 ... stream.mp3

[animal painter]

This may not be the correct place to present this, but if it helps...
When using a GPR, this is what a correctly-sized Plexiglas box with a ceramic object with a "key" inside looked like, buried 2 feet down.
(Just in case someone is using a GPR and wants to know what to look for...)

[WilliamTater]

I'm impressed. But on a side note...if a verse says behind a stone mushroom and also a white mouse...does this mean the casque is buried BEHIND each of them but not necessarily in BETWEEN them? Does this make sense? Because I HAVE A NEW IDEA the verse may not be linear and subsequently another tree could be the resting place.
Ideas? Am I clear enough?