Verse 9

[stercox]

The symbol on the flag is the (monolithic) monument or marker out by the water, YES.  Its one of the key pieces of information that sold this site for me.   The green fence that you see in my pictures was just recently put there. There have been fences out along the monument over the years, in different positions,  to help protect the monument against wind from the coast.  They have not always been painted green however.  They get blown out to sea, every few years and are replaced.  I am trying to work with my contacts at the park to see where fences were on the property in the early 80's.  There are a number of wooden fences at the park right now and they have all changed over the years.  The one fence that I refer to is the one that the employees say has been there behind the ticket gate and gift shop.  I don't have that pictured in the album.  They remember this always being green.

[wilhouse]

Stercox, your investigations remind me a lot of what I am going through at the CZ.  I rely a lot on people's memory too.

What I have found though is that regardless of how insistent people are, you need a photo or something of that time frame to ensure that it is true.

You might check with a local library or the PR department for old photos.  Explain to them that you are trying to compare what the present site looks like to what it looked like 20 years ago. I am sure they will be helpful.

wilhouse

[stercox]

thanks for the advise--will check with some resources I have.  

[Egbert]

I think you've got it, Stercox!  Well, at least the right area.  BTW, did you notice that the Silver Salt sign mentions a "casque"?  lol.

As for the exact location, would you have been permitted to dig in the place where you thought the casque would have been?  If not, then that is probably not where it is buried.

I see the angle to which you refer between the tree and the rock.  However, I do not think that it tells you where to dig.  I think that the picture gets you to the general place (which you have found), but then the verse tells you exactly where to dig.

Nice job!

[stercox]

I find the verse describes the actual park well.  But as directions to the dig site,  the verse seems to be really haphazard,  definitely not linear.  Many of the match ups to the verse are in different parts of the park.  To be honest, I was out there in gale force winds, without another sole in site, anyone could bury anything out there without too many people noticing.  I still am quite stumped by the rock--palm tree image in the lower right corner, it just seems to tacetly imply THIS IS THE TREE.  The reason I felt that the line helps let you know where to dig is that if "at the base of a tall tree" is the final clue to the dig site, that would give me 360 degrees of digging to chose from.  The line may help to define where, and why put it in the picture anyway??  I don't think
it's a random mark.   Could it be possible that this particular puzzle is different from the two that have been found.  There is little in the picture as far as landmarks to get you to fountain of youth park, and the verse lines are the thing that really sealed the deal as far as the right place.  Once there I really thought that the imagery in the rock and within the picture itself would be obvious.  Not so.  I feel like there is still 15 acres and 3 feet of dirt between me and the casque.  Oh to be that close....

[Pine_Tree]

Have a nice Memorial Day weekend everyone.

I for one should come back feeling rejuvenated.

Pine

[forest_blight]

I spent almost all day thinking about / studying Verse 9 and Image 6, with zilch to show for it. But I agree that stercox has the general location nailed in the Fountain of Youth Park. If I am ever down that way, you can bet I will stop in and spend a couple of hours wandering the park.

But I question the assumption that the rock is a literal representation. I didn't think that area of the coast was known for large outcroppings of rock, but rather for swampy, flat marshland. Am I mistaken?

[stercox]

Flat and Marshy, No rocks at all.  I think that rock is "impressionistic" at best, it offers up a few clues (like the 82 longitude) but I think that's about it.  It really reminds me of the corroded spanish cannons in the park.  The dig site and all the confirmers of the site are in the verse.  I'm still working on this one with contacts down in the park, but it is frustrating.  From my interpretation of the verse, I am convinced that the last marker, the tree, no longer exists because of hurricanes.  I know that this is the right place--and the casque isn't going anywhere.  Lately, there have been archeologists in the park this summer.  But the HOT SPOT (where I think the treasure may be) is not near where they usually do their field work.  Oddly enough, you can't even excavate for building a new house in St. Augustine without an archeologist clearing your site first. They're that serious about it. 

[forest_blight]

Have you made the local archaeologists aware of the situation? I can imagine they would jump at the chance to help you locate the casque if (1) you explain the situation to them and (2) narrow down the likely burial spot to a reasonably searchable area. Ground-penetrating radar is probably standard equipment in such investigations.

Plan B: show up at midnight with wilhouse's back-hoe, a mag-lite, and a few buddies. 

I just chuckled at a thought. Wouldn't it be hilarious if the artifact display case at the park contains "fragments of a mysterious 16th-century concrete urn, retaining some of its original paint, containing a key fashioned in the Spanish style, discovered at a depth of approximately two feet..."

[frosty]

Hey, being displaced because of the hurricanes, trying to keep up with the links and do things with the family...  I just read this link and am getting ready to take my boys to the "Falls of the Ohio".  I did some research on the falls and I hope this helps with this link.  I just read that Limestone is a sedimentary rock that fossils are often found in and that salt is often found there.  I also read and liked the idea about the site being near a planetarium...Anyway just thought that I would put the thought out there that he may be talking about fossils.  Just a thought about the fossils, though  . 

[frosty]

Tried to post this poem that I found earlier, so if it posts twice, sorry.  Still doing web searching and found the following poem.

Here is the land where life is written in water
The West is where the water was and is
Father and son of old mother and daughter
Following rivers up immensities
of range and desert thirsting the sundown ever
Crossing a hill to climb a hill still drier
Naming tonight a city by some river
a different name from last night's camping fire
Look to the green within the mountain cup
look to the prairie parched for water lack
Look to the sun that pulls the oceans up
look to the cloud that gives the oceans back
Look to your heart and may your wisdom grow
to power of lightning and to peace of snow
—Thomas Hornsby Ferril, 1940

Thomas Hornsby Ferril was poet Laurraeate for Colorado til his death.  There is tons more information on him.  Hope the poem helps someone.

[jayheedan]

I the spirit of giving this Thanksgiving I submit my theory for review.

Pic 6 and Verse 9 go together.  The FL imagery in the pic seems too obvious to ignore.

Verse Nine:
The first chapter
Written in water (first explorers to N. America)

Near men
With wind rose (sailors/explorers/sea)

Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness
Like moonlight in teardrops (These suggest a lighthouse to me.  Showing Boats how to navigate at night with "treardrops" of light)

If Pic 6 goes with this verse I think Ponce de leon Inlet lighthouse http://www.ponceinlet.org/index.html might be a good place to start.

At the base of a tall tree
You can still hear the honking (This is the tallest lighthouse in the nation, and it looks like ships still dock nearby (honking sound))

Over the tall grass
Years pass, rain falls  (tall grass = cattails?)

Looking at the pictures of the light house the place is surrounded by a picket fence built to keep wild pigs out - but it is white in the pictures.  Was it green years back?  Possibly, looking at the historical pictures the surrounding structures on the property have green trim.  And one of the articles says there is still a green cabinet in the lighthouse from a previous owner.

I live in FL, but the lighthouse in 400 miles away.  If you guys are convinced or have any potential pointers, I might make the trip up that way.

what do ya think?
jay

[jayheedan]

At the base of a tall tree
You can still hear the honking (This is the tallest lighthouse in the nation, and it looks like ships still dock nearby (honking sound))

According to the website In 1982, a new tower balcony replaced the crumbling one, and the light in the lantern was restored to active service...The Ponce Inlet Lighthouse is now a private aid to navigation.

[SeekTheRabbitHole]

i know i havent been on in a while but i still havent stoped searching now i did fine were the flower in image 6 is located and one of it common areas of growth is in the panhaddle of florida so im still sticking with the florida idea

[SeekTheRabbitHole]

Sabatia bartramii thats the name of the flower and it grows in watery areas