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Re: Verse 9

Postby stercox » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:50 pm

Guy--

I loved visiting St. Augustine too, great little town.  I like your thoughts and have visited that area near the cross also--its such an awesome landmark.  Been looking at this one for almost three years now, have visited a couple times and still working the angles.  I think at least we are both in the right area. I do not discount the FOY park, although many do--because you can't really dig there--yet--but I am still partial to that park.  My original theory was similar to yours, in that, I felt that the clues were dragging me out toward the coastline.  I have since changed my mind--that coastline is an erosive mess.  I have seen the island that you talk about--anything is possible at this point--I had never thought about traveling across the water--I guess it never felt right to me.  Have you tried to go out there??  I am also haunted by the rock--tree combination, my personal theory is that this is a fine tuning clue, I believe that the tree pictured is actually "the tall tree" and is the final landmark--that the orientation of the rock--tree, when found, will give you the "Eureka! That's It!!" that we are looking for.  But I am pretty sure that the tree no longer exists due to hurricane damage.  And there are very few rocks in that area.  I think that the rock looks like coquina.    Your interpretaton of the clues are much more symbolic and poetic than mine--I have taken them more literally.  But, until a casque is found--all theories are more than possible.  I am however convinced that St. Augustine is our place for P6/V9 and not on the west Floridian coast.  We just need to keep at it--and luckily being 44 years old--I can visit again without having to bring my parents.  ;) :D
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Re: Verse 9

Postby fox » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:05 am

Guyra,

""There are artworks depicting them creating the first chapter of the church while still standing in the water after first disembarking.  So this is what we attributed to "The first chapter written in water"."

That is brilliant!


Stercox,

"I am also haunted by the rock--tree combination, my personal theory is that this is a fine tuning clue, I believe that the tree pictured is actually "the tall tree" and is the final landmark--that the orientation of the rock--tree, when found, will give you the "Eureka! That's It!!" that we are looking for."

I have to agree with you here.  One thing that always bothered me about that combination makes a lot of sense now...  why isnt the tree reflected in the water when the rock is?  It is because they arent together..literally.  It may be that you have to line the two up while standing near the dig site.  You know...walk around the tree {which is on land} until you see the rock/island behind it.  This could be the way to tell you which side of the tree to dig at.

Keep up the great work you two... looks like another casque may be ready for some Florida sunshine after 20+ years underground.

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Re: Verse 9

Postby stercox » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:37 pm

I have to agree with you here.  One thing that always bothered me about that combination makes a lot of sense now...  why isnt the tree reflected in the water when the rock is?  It is because they arent together..literally.  It may be that you have to line the two up while standing near the dig site.  You know...walk around the tree {which is on land} until you see the rock/island behind it.  This could be the way to tell you which side of the tree to dig at.


Fox--

I agree.  Except my thoughts about this run in reverse...

There are a lot of curious findings in that drawing--as you noted, no tree reflection.  Also, if you look closely there is a small shadowed line running from the mid trunk or the tree  leftward down toward the ground, disappearing behind the rock.  I'll throw it out there what I really think this all means:  I think that this part of the picture is nestled into the larger picture for composition sake but the major elements are to be divorced from the rest of the picture and are important to finding "X marks the spot".  The elements are:  the orientation of the rock in the water, the tree with line.  There are very few rocks in that area--I think that this rock is likely coquina and man made (sharp edge, flat top).  The water although drawn to look like its on the coastline is not ocean.  The water is calm and offers clear reflection with algae even.    I think that the rock was some kind of base centerpiece in a larger fountain, made out of coquina and showing erosion.  Standing or kneeling beside this fountain would give you the perspective of rock in calm water, even algae growth. The size of the reflection itself, creates the look that the rock is very large, because the assumption is the body of water that it is in is very large (the reflection nearly travels to the "shoreline" in the P6).  I propose that the rock is not that large, because the body of water is not that large, that is, its only fountain size.    Now put a tall tree some distance behind that fountain. Its reflection in that same water would not be there.  The rock would appear much larger and closer, the tree smaller and at a distance.  Why do this?  Because this alignment pinpoints the tree.  The shadowed line in that view directs you to the left side of that tree to its base.    Dig here.  BTW--I think the line is BP's shovel handle leaning against the tree.  Can I prove this--NO--its just one of my pet theories I have.  In my recon to St Augustine, at least in my hot spots for possible dig sites--the trees are gone anyway due to hurricanes.  So for what its worth ($0.02).
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Re: Verse 9

Postby Trohn » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:09 pm

Wonder why this one hasn't been nailed down to a few
square by now...

http://www.getaway4florida.com/moreinfo ... &ClassID=3

http://www.getaway4florida.com/do/attra ... 5&pageno=2

Let's take another look....
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Re: Verse 9

Postby boogieman » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:46 pm

hmmm. 11 Magnolia Ave.  Those are not magnolias in P6 are they?
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Re: Verse 9

Postby fox » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:55 pm

you gotta love the first sentence in Trohn's 1st link above. "The Nation's first chapter in history begins at Ponce de Leon's Fountain of Youth. "  Sounds like a first chapter written in water to me....  If this park isnt the site...it sure has to be part of the trail leading to our casque.  The casque is nearby folks...lets get it.

If I am not mistaken..the flower(s) in P6 are asters, not Magnolias.

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Re: Verse 9

Postby johann » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:23 pm

Now if we can find a plaque with that "first chapter" idea . . .
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Re: Verse 9

Postby regulus » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:50 pm

you guys already have found a plaque with the words "First Chapter" on it, its on the entrance to tha tplace
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Re: Verse 9

Postby fox » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:01 am

yup...gotta agree w/ reg here johann...perhaps you missed it...but, where are those photos of the park entrance w/ those words on it?  I can not seem to find them anymore.

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Re: Verse 9

Postby Trohn » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:46 pm

fox wrote:yup...gotta agree w/ reg here johann...perhaps you missed it...but, where are those photos of the park entrance w/ those words on it?  I can not seem to find them anymore.

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The entrance to the park has the plaque describing the "first chapter"
but it is probably displayed elsewhere in the park.

The exit has flags/banners of a simialr design and color as that of
in Image six.  It is likely they also are elsewhere in the park.
I have not got a good solid photo of them to post for comparison.

The "old Senator" feet from the FOY park doees not have a green picket
fence around it.

From the park's gate to the actual park, you have two blocks of tree lined streets
(Magnolias most likely) that have many many bending branches.

In the park itsel, besides the 'well',
you have a globe (for displaying of the explorers and the lands around the world)
and you have "Navigators' Planetarium" where the stars are displayed from the time of the landing
at St Augstine.  (stars move by day)

The park is on the Intercoastal.  I wonder what part of the park
is east, looking overe the water?
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Re: Verse 9

Postby johann » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:52 pm

Oops.  My bad.  Sorry, y'all.
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Re: Verse 9

Postby fox » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:42 pm

no prob Johann...even the best of us slip up occasionally  :D

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Re: Verse 9

Postby stercox » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:39 pm

P6 + V9.  Please see my posts from January 22, 2005 for both the P6 and V9.  One of the links will take you to my photos of the park and some very enlightening information if you have not seen them before. There is more than just a gate sign (The First Chapter)  to validate this as a hot spot.  I am convinced that the FOY Archeological park is our site, always have been.  I have been working on this match up for nearly 2 1/2 - 3 years.  I have visited the site twice, respectfully broached the topic and was not permitted to dig and actually been told if anyone tries to dig they'll be arrested.  OUCH!  Through a lot of interviews with park staff and historical research,  I have narrowed down the dig site to a small area.  My original thought about the clues took you out by the water--I no longer believe that, the theory has been revised.  However, the bulk of the theory is presented in my 2005 posts.    The problem has always been gaining permission to test out the theory I've developed over the years because of the nature of the park--It is on family-owned,  private property and historically (archeologically) significant.  Through patience and diplomacy over the last couple years along with a convincing argument (they must not have found me to be a complete lunatic), I have found out recently that I will have my best chance to see if the theory is right later this month.  The relationship with those in authority over this park is very tenuous (they may balk if too much attention is drawn to this --they do not want it to be widely known that "some treasure" could be buried at their park in order to prevent mayhem and random digging--and that is very understandable)-- but they are excited about the possibility of a casque being there and are willing to help play in the dirt.  I will be down there with my treasure hunting buddy mid to late March.  I think if you look over my earlier posts from 2005 you will get a good feeling about this park, like I did.  I usually hate all the cloak-n-dagger stuff, but I do not feel that I am in a position to blab about this too much without putting this opportunity at risk.  However, in the spirit of this board,  I felt I should tell everyone about these recent developments.  This may be another Milwaukee--I hope it is not--the burden of proof is to find it--But whatever the outcome, I will post what I have after the trip.  Above all,  I want to keep the relationship with this park on good standing for the future.  Finally, in my search I found that in 1982 it would have been very easy to access the park and bury the casque. 
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Re: Verse 9

Postby boogieman » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:45 pm

You're the man Stercox!!!  You're doing the right thing.  Make us proud laddy!!!
ps: Hey, can you drink from the fountain and make yourself young again?  Let me know if it works.
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Re: Verse 9

Postby stercox » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:58 am

Thanks Boogie--

I already drank from the fountain and it made me a girl....
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